The Alarming Rise of Childhood Illnesses with Mary Tocco

James Moffitt (00:01.082)
Hello and welcome to ABC's Parenting Adult Children podcast. My name is James Moffitt. Today I'm honored to be joined by Mary Toko, a passionate voice in the world of health freedom, informed parenting and generational wellness. With over 40 years of experience in natural health education, Mary brings a bold and heartfelt perspective on how early parenting choices echo into adulthood and how parents can stay connected.

supportive and aware as our children grow into independent thinkers. In this conversation, we'll explore everything from the power of intuition and parenting to the impact of childhood health decisions on adult life and how to stay grounded as a parent in a fast changing world. Whether you're navigating differing values with your adult children or trying to rebuild connection and trust, Mary offers wisdom rooted in experience and a deep love for family.

Mary, thank you for being here today.

Mary Tocco (00:59.704)
So glad to be with you today as well, Tanes.

James Moffitt (01:01.892)
Yeah. Hey, do me a, do me a, know that was a long intro, but go ahead and, add anything to that that you would like as an introduction to the listening audience.

Mary Tocco (01:11.406)
Okay, well, first of all, I had five children. I started having my babies in 1980. My oldest just turned 45 yesterday. I have three boys and two daughters. Two of my daughters are chiropractors now and one is a family nurse practitioner. But we, my ex-husband who unfortunately passed away, we raised our children outside the medical model, which means we raised our children 100 % natural. We did not use medication or drugs.

We never had pediatricians, and we made that decision based on years of research before having our children. So I tell people that I raised my children the way nature would have us raise them, and that's with as little medical intervention as possible. And as a result, I have five amazing, healthy adult kids. We never had any of the issues that are so difficult.

in today's society. But I also have 13 grand babies that are being raised. Yeah.

James Moffitt (02:10.977)
wow.

Mary Tocco (02:12.482)
Yes, 13 grand babies that are being raised the very same way. So, you know, no doctors, no pediatricians, natural birth, many of them at home. If not at home, at birthing centers. I actually had the pleasure of delivering one of my grandchildren because he came so fast. And so that was all very exciting. But, you know, people don't realize that for centuries, people raised their children naturally.

And I'm really big on the family unit. I think that's very important. So then I began to do lectures in 1995 on the dangers of childhood vaccinations because over the years I'd been doing extensive research on if we vaccinate, what are some of the issues that we can have from vaccinating. And over like 45 years of research now,

I believe that vaccinations are number one, they're not necessary. Number two, they are very dangerous. The side effects and the direct effects from the vaccines are far worse than a week or two of chicken pox or measles or mumps or wolfing cough. So my main part of my adult life, I've been attending conferences all over the country and Canada, educating people on a natural approach to raising their children. And of course, the dangers of the vaccinations. And so that's where I'm really

consider an expert on that topic. I guess that's enough about me. I've been just doing it for 40 something years now.

James Moffitt (03:37.366)
Okay.

James Moffitt (03:43.564)
it's good. All right. So after 45 years of independent research, you claim that vaccines do not protect and are the number one reason. And 52 % of American children are suffering chronic illnesses requiring medication. So I'm going to make a, I'm going to make a statement here for my listening audience. I think a lot of this is going to come as a shock and I think it's going to fly in the face of current

Mary Tocco (04:02.988)
Okay.

James Moffitt (04:12.793)
medical quote unquote research and, and the messaging that parents are getting from the, from the medical doctors and like department of public health here in South Carolina. And I know that it's been a while since I've, well, I am still a parent. have adult children too. but it's been a while since our children have been in public school. And I know from experience that

When you register your children for school, what's the first thing that they ask for?

Mary Tocco (04:42.926)
Well, they want you to get the vaccines and they say we need your vaccine record showing that your children are updated.

James Moffitt (04:47.969)
Right. They won't, they won't proof. They won't proof that your children have been vaccinated. Right. And so, so I want to, as we go through this, I want to, help educate the parents that are listening. Right. And encourage and encourage them. And absolutely, I absolutely don't want to, I don't want parents, I don't want parents to feel guilty. if they, if they have been.

Mary Tocco (04:53.538)
But yes.

Mary Tocco (05:03.982)
I'm going play,

James Moffitt (05:16.761)
encouraged through the years to get their children vaccinated, right?

Mary Tocco (05:20.726)
And I agree, and I agree. And as one who's been speaking to parents who don't vaccinate or who have partially vaccinated or who have vaccinated your children, the last thing I want to do is make a parent feel bad about their previous decisions because we don't know what we don't know.

And we won't find what we're not looking for. And we trust the doctors and the pediatricians because they're the experts. We trust our government, at least some people do. We trust the CDC, the Center for Disease Control, and we trust the FDA. we have all this trust in these agencies through our government without really realizing that they have a different agenda. And your children are maybe not at the top of that agenda.

And so my goal is just to share information. And believe me, James, I've been to hundreds of conferences where I've been the keynote and I'm speaking to half of my audience who have vaccine-injured children. They know that something went wrong after those vaccines. They felt it. They saw it. Their doctors wouldn't admit it. And they might have had another child coming on in the way, or they might have had two or three other children that they didn't vaccinate.

I've dealt with all different types of parents. And the last thing I want to do is make them feel bad. Unfortunately, I do bear a lot of shocking information that is only available if you've been digging very deep as many years as I had. I will say this, the doctors don't know what I know. The doctors don't get the education on vaccinations like we assume.

They get two weeks of introduction in med school and that is it. They don't know what's in the vaccines. They don't know how they're made. They don't know about the bioengineering of viruses and labs. They don't know about a thing called adjuvants which stimulate the immune system and really make it angry, which is what I think is causing a lot of the injury. They don't know any of this. And I tell people right from the get go, I don't give medical advice. I'm not a medical doctor.

Mary Tocco (07:29.804)
I don't have a medical degree of any kind. I'm a holistic, self-taught person who's just been doing this for so many years that I'm considered an expert in this field. But I want parents to know that number one, you are responsible for making medical decisions for your children. Number two, you should never be coerced or shamed into doing anything. And if you're putting your children in school, many, many states have exemptions available.

Like South Carolina where I live they have a religious exemption and a medical exemption. So if you as you may not know Many of the vaccines contain aborted fetal cell tissue They have been using aborted babies to make vaccines medication cosmetics and food products for many many years Okay, and and again, I have everything to prove this. This is not my opinion. This is based on fact

James Moffitt (08:17.262)
Wow.

James Moffitt (08:22.667)
I knew about the cosmetics, I didn't know about the rest of it.

Mary Tocco (08:26.284)
Yeah, and I can show all those receipts. But the bottom line is, if you believe that abortion is wrong, or if you believe that it might not be a good thing to be aborting human DNA cells into your baby, then you have a religious exemption.

That's what I say. In Michigan, we have three. We have a philosophical exemption as well as a medical exemption and the religious. So it depends on where you live and a lot of that information you can find by just going to your local health department. What are my vaccine exemptions? But all it takes is signing a form to get your children into school without a vaccination.

James Moffitt (09:09.229)
Well, I'm a firm believer that knowledge is power, right? And ignorance on the flip side of that is dangerous. And so I think as parents, it's our duty to be as informed and educated as possible because we have to make a lot of important decisions, right, with our children. And obviously, adult children between the ages of 18 and 30

Mary Tocco (09:12.803)
Yes.

Mary Tocco (09:33.635)
Yes.

James Moffitt (09:38.786)
what we did with them, in years gone by, that's, that's water into the bridge and there's nothing we can do about that. but we have to, we have to consider grandchildren, right? You said you had 13 grandchildren.

Mary Tocco (09:52.961)
Yes, but, but Jason, people have to realize that when they go to their regular medical visit and they're asked to get a pneumococcal vaccine or a D-tap vaccine or a tetanus vaccine or the shingles vaccine or even the measles vaccine, they're asking adults to do all this now because they passed the Adult Vaccination Act back in the late 1990s.

James Moffitt (10:12.163)
Sure.

Mary Tocco (10:16.684)
They realized that the vaccines they gave them as children were not protecting them and that they would need continual vaccinations as they got older. So this affects everybody, not just children. And so, you know, that's very important. You know, they're recommending a gargoyle cervical cancer vaccination.

James Moffitt (10:29.091)
truth.

Mary Tocco (10:35.854)
They started out recommending it for girls who have cervix. And now they recommend it for boys. And I'm always thinking, boys don't have a cervix, you know? And a lot of it just doesn't make sense. But if you have a daughter or a son who's in, you know, maybe 12 or 13 or 16 or 18 or 24 or whatever, they're going to recommend a cervical cancer vaccination for you as an adult. And you need to make the decision. Am I at risk?

Is it a big deal? Do the risks outweigh the benefits? As parents, you need to make these decisions or as adults. So it affects everybody.

James Moffitt (11:14.777)
So point in case, I had chickenpox when I was younger, right. As a child. And, I just went to Publix pharmacy on St. James Avenue here in Goose Creek to get my medicine. And they, they looked at their computer screen and says, you're due for, you're due for a shingles vaccine because of your age. And I was like, they don't know whether I had chickenpox or not. Right. And, and I've been seeing.

TV ads for the last, I don't know, year, year and a half, two years, about the shingles vaccine. Right. So, so TV stations are being, told or instructed to, push that information out. Right. yeah. Because who makes the vaccines big pharma mix those vaccines. Right. So follow, so follow the money and, and they, they.

Mary Tocco (11:52.108)
Yes.

Mary Tocco (12:05.438)
They make, that's right, they make big money.

James Moffitt (12:14.301)
They try to incentivize you through fear. In other words, you know, they show you pictures of these angry rashes that you can get if you get shingles. And if you've had the chickenpox when you were younger, you have the shingles virus living dormant in your body and it can happen at any time. so, you know, they're fear mongering and my wife had the shingles.

Mary Tocco (12:34.414)
you

James Moffitt (12:43.129)
And, it's no joke. It's, can be painful. Right. And, uh, uh, I, you know, it's like a, it's a catch 22 in that. don't want to, I don't want to have that rash, that painful rash anywhere on my body, because I don't want to have to endure that. But on the flip side of that, what's, know, you have to, you have to count the cost and you have to make an educated decision. Would I rather be uncomfortable for.

Mary Tocco (12:47.821)
Yes.

James Moffitt (13:13.131)
a week or a couple of days or whatever versus injecting some kind of lab experiment into my body. Right.

Mary Tocco (13:24.494)
Well, I have some really interesting, I'm gonna talk about two different things related to that. So first of all, based on my experience, my knowledge and my research, I believe that the chickenpox vaccination that they're giving children now is an altered form of what we got as children. I'm one of 11 children.

James Moffitt (13:29.752)
Okay.

Mary Tocco (13:44.431)
Everyone in our family in our neighborhood got chickenpox. In fact, even Robert Kennedy Jr. has said this every year in the United States, 5 million children every year would have either chickenpox or measles or mumps or rosiola. It was a normal childhood thing. Everybody got him. Everybody went through a week, week and a half of discomfort. There were no deaths, no deaths from it. OK, and and and

This went on for a long, long decades until they came up with the chickenpox vaccine. Now all of a sudden the chickenpox are life-threatening illnesses. So, and then I think too, we all know that things mutate over years. And I believe what they're giving the children in the chickenpox vaccine now is a different one than what we would have gotten, you know, 40, 50 years ago. But currently you'll get a kick out of this.

Currently, my three grandchildren in Michigan have chickenpox. Currently, as we're speaking, and let the two weeks ago, my son Preston, who is 34 years of age, their daddy, he works at Whole Foods. And he did have a very light case of chickenpox when he was a little boy, like just in the groin area. He came home and he had a full body outbreak of chickenpox just the last couple weeks.

And so when that happened, when that happened, we were like, well, your kids are going to end up having it. And the, and the cousins and everyone, they all got together. Bottom line is this week, all three of his children are breaking out with chicken pox. Now my son did say that it was miserable being itchy and having his body, you know, covered in pox. It was not fun, but he also knows that he went through a bootcamp for his immune system.

James Moffitt (15:10.061)
my.

James Moffitt (15:32.793)
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Mary Tocco (15:38.455)
And he knows that by going through this process and getting through it, his immune system is stronger and better today than it was a month ago. And see, that's the beauty about the immune system. It is constantly dealing with things that we don't even know about. Every day you go out at the grocery store, at a park, at church, you're taking in foreign things through your respiration system. We're all being exposed to things all the time.

So we don't know where he was exposed. We can assume maybe when he was working. But the bottom line is chickenpox is not life threatening. All three of my grandbabies right now have been still out there playing in the backyard, swimming in the pool. They're having sleepovers. I kid you not.

So now my other grandkids who have been visiting with them are probably going to end up with chickenpox in two weeks. We call it the gift that keeps on giving because when you allow your children to have these normal childhood illnesses that are not life-threatening, they develop a robust immune system. You see, we come into life as infants with everything we need. We're just underdeveloped.

And it takes years of being exposed to our natural environment.

in order to develop our immune system. That's why babies have rashes, colds, runny noses. They have rashes on their bum when they get exposed to new foods. This is what we call normal immunity. And actually, I wrote a book on this. It's on my website. I don't even have one with me to show you. But it's called Natural Immune Development, A Deeper Understanding. And I give all this documentation and research about the power of the natural immune system.

Mary Tocco (17:28.046)
my children have been going through things which they have their whole life, we didn't call them like, you're sick, ooh we're scared of it. I would tell them your body is doing exactly what God intended it to do. And I would actually pat them on the back, okay now you have a fever and yep you're gonna be on the couch for a day or two but guess what? This is exactly what your body has to do to prepare you for adulthood. And so this is the one thing that people don't understand. God did not forget to make us with an immune system.

In fact, in my lectures, I often share that when God created the earth, he created the animals. And he said everything and it was great and everything was good. And then he created man in his image. And after he created us, he said, and this is good. Do you think God would forget to give us an immune system that is capable of defending itself, even in a toxic world like we have? The animals do it. They're out in the wild doing it.

And we do know that the weak ones don't survive. That's called survival of the fittest. And I'm not saying that we should let our weak babies die, but I'm just saying we have to understand that God gave us an immune system and that our immune system is going to go through aerobics every once in a while, every couple of years. We might have that really heavy duty bout of the flu, or we might have fevers. don't understand why children go through this. I think too that shingles as I

stated in my opinion, it's a theory, that shingles is an adapted form or a mutated form of chickenpox that we had when we were younger that has been made in a laboratory. So I don't know if that cleared up that question or not.

James Moffitt (19:16.518)
I can edit this out, but I accidentally shut down my studio while I was trying to look up your book.

Mary Tocco (19:24.607)
Okay.

James Moffitt (19:24.656)
This is going to be interesting. How's that all? Have you been talking the whole time? Okay.

Mary Tocco (19:29.634)
Yes, I figured you were busy doing something. If you can go back and see where you lost me, I can pick up from there.

James Moffitt (19:37.89)
I  I think that is a, your studio was open and you're recording. So, so I'm going to, I'm going to get that. so don't worry about it. We're this is, this is going to be, I've never done this before. I mean, I've never shut down.

Mary Tocco (19:49.388)
Okay.

Mary Tocco (19:53.711)
Well, if we have to redo it again, I do these all the time,

James Moffitt (19:58.414)
I've, I've never shut down my studio. I'm glad I didn't shut yours down too. I didn't, I've never shut down my studio like that. That's a, that's a newbie. That's a new thing for me. so what's the, what's the name of your book?

Mary Tocco (20:08.864)
It happens. Natural immune development, a deeper understanding. It's a blue book and it's on my website. I normally have them handy to hold up, but obviously I'm not prepared for that. I mean, I don't know what I was thinking when I came here. I actually kind of came here on a fluke, but anyway. And you know what? Okay. And you also have a six part DVD series on there too.

James Moffitt (20:13.414)
Uh-huh. Okay, hold on.

James Moffitt (20:31.258)
No, you're fine. I got it. I got it.

James Moffitt (20:37.072)
Okay.

Mary Tocco (20:37.378)
You might get a screenshot of that. It's called vaccines risk, vaccines risks research, no, no, vaccine risk responsibility and rights.

James Moffitt (20:49.222)
Right. All right. So to the listening audience, I want to apologize for my little technical snafu there, but we're back on and hopefully you were able to listen to Mary as she was talking while I was over here pushing the wrong buttons. But I'm back now and I want to share the screen. I found Mary's book and I want to share it with the listening audience or the watching audience.

James Moffitt (21:19.878)
There we go. So go ahead talk about your book a little bit there, Mary.

Mary Tocco (21:26.69)
Well, after being a speaker for so many years, parents who choose not to vaccinate, I was getting calls all the time and emails all the time and texting, like, if I don't vaccinate, you know, how do I promote health? What do I do if my child has a fever? What do I do if they have a rash? What if they have swollen glands? And so because of really, honestly, wanting to help parents know how to shift from being somebody who dependent on who is dependent on vaccinations and medication to somebody who would be less dependent on them. And again, I don't

people what to do. I just tell them how I did it and I back it up with science and research. I reference two immunologists that I studied under in this book because obviously

In order to learn what I've learned, I had to study under people who were authorities. And I referenced Dr. Stephen Marini, who is a PhD immunologist as well as a chiropractor. And then I have another one, Dr. Tatiana Aboukhanich. She was a Harvard grad. She worked out of Stanford and Harvard Medical. She took a break to have a daughter. And in the process, she thought she would look up what all these

people who are worried about vaccines say, she ran across my information. We ended up doing a lot of talking and podcasting together. Eventually she traveled with me and spoke with me. So I quote both of them and I bring up their research about the immune system. So this isn't based on Mary Toko's opinion. This is immunology. And what we learn is that

If an immunologist at Stanford or Harvard University is doing research and you bring up anything anti-vaccine or against the adjuvants in the vaccines or the dangers of vaccines, they will immediately stop and say, we're not looking into that. That's not allowed. We won't get money for it. So anything that even mentions the word vaccines in a negative light, they will get no money to do research. And so that's very important. So my book is about that.

James Moffitt (23:19.63)
Right. So what is your, what is your website?

James Moffitt (23:28.902)
childhoodshots.com. Let's bring that up. There we go. look, that looks familiar.

Mary Tocco (23:34.734)
There I am. Yes, yes.

James Moffitt (23:39.556)
Empower and ignite your passion for truth. Welcome to Mary Toko's natural health site. Of you. That's, that's great. So that's childhoodshots.com common spelling childhoodshots.com. All right. Very good. So I wanted to share that with the listening audience or I actually, create a video, the video episode uploads to rumble into a YouTube on YouTube channel. So people can actually watch this online, watch the video.

Mary Tocco (23:42.796)
That's right.

Mary Tocco (23:52.748)
Yep. Yep.

Mary Tocco (23:58.275)
Thank you.

Mary Tocco (24:09.164)
Wonderful.

James Moffitt (24:10.202)
Yeah. So, so if you don't mind, let's talk about the elephant in the room, the elephant, the elephant that's been on all of our minds since 2020. And it has a name called COVID, right? And, so there's been, since COVID, since our, our wonderful government tried to shut our country down permanently over COVID.

Mary Tocco (24:15.598)
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Mary Tocco (24:22.348)
Yes.

Yes.

James Moffitt (24:38.726)
What did, what did, what did that doctor say? What was his name? The, kept getting in front of the microphone. Uh, Fauci. Yeah. Dr. Fauci said, if you'll, if you will just quarantine and stay at home for two weeks, just two weeks, that's all we're asking you for is two weeks. If you'll stay at home and quarantine yourself and not go out in the public for two weeks, this will be resolved. Right. So you kept saying that and he kept saying it, can say it, and it kept getting worse and kept getting worse.

Mary Tocco (24:45.944)
Fauci?

Mary Tocco (24:54.958)
Go.

Mary Tocco (25:03.949)
Yes.

Mary Tocco (25:08.59)
It's.

James Moffitt (25:08.85)
And the next thing you know, we've got this pandemic on our hands and people are dying and, and I'm, I'm the direction that I'm going with this is, is the COVID vaccination. Right. And so we, seniors and the rest of the world that was listening, we were told that if you, if you're a senior and you have any underlying conditions like COPD, like diabetes, any, any health

Mary Tocco (25:22.454)
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James Moffitt (25:38.31)
issue that could cause problems, then you're, you're more susceptible to having severe complications like winding up on a breathing tube and the ICU, blah, blah, blah. So, so my wife and I, along with the rest of America had to decide whether we were going to take the COVID vaccine or not. And because my wife has COPD, since I have hypertension, since I have

Mary Tocco (25:52.078)
you

James Moffitt (26:06.138)
diabetes and other things going on. We felt that, the best, decision for us was to take both of the vaccines. And during that time, well, my employer, Roper hospital, I was a system administrator at Roper hospital. Roper hospital made it mandatory for conditions of employment.

that you were, you were going to get the vaccine or you could possibly be terminated. And we've heard stories of, law enforcement agencies and the like that, that fired police officers, fired EMS medical professionals, because they chose not to get the COVID vaccine. And, and I, and I must say that, and I want to say this for the, on the record that

And I think you'll agree with me. We all have to make informed decisions about our healthcare. Right. And so if you, like myself and my wife decided to get the COVID vaccine for whatever reasons, then I respect that. Right. if you decided that you did not want to get the COVID vaccine for whatever reasons, I respect that as well. And it all goes back to the, do I wear my mask? Don't I wear the mask? Blah, blah, blah. You know, and,

Mary Tocco (27:09.763)
Yes.

Mary Tocco (27:19.47)
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James Moffitt (27:32.486)
So that's, that's kind of the, the, uh, the elephant in the room. And it was just a horrible, horrible tragedy and debacle that, that we were forced into. Businesses were shut down. People lost their livelihood. A whole host of consequences happened because of what our government kind of forced us into. I don't know. I figured you might want to talk about that a little bit.

Mary Tocco (27:52.333)
Yes.

Mary Tocco (27:57.967)
Well, again, fear is a very big motivator. And unfortunately, the internet no longer allows you to do a deep dive into these things. They've censored everything out. My website has been censored. I had a Facebook page that has, I still have like 10,000 followers.

but they've censored everything. So unfortunately, even if you were trying to do a deep dive back in that time, unless you were ahead of it, like I was, and like many other researchers, you didn't know who to believe, you didn't know who to listen to, you, you know, we were all afraid in the beginning, but.

And I did everything I could during that period of time to reach people as far as what I knew and what I believed. I was that woman who was downtown Charleston in front of the Department of Education building with a megaphone saying, take our children out of the masks. It's causing harm. That was me. I was out there.

trying to educate people as the best way that I could because there was so much confusion and so much fear. But you know, I rely on science and I rely on studies. For example, just about the mask. I knew back then that wearing a mask, and this might sound kind of crude, wearing a mask to protect yourself and people from a virus that is so small is like saying when you have flatulence in a pair of jeans,

It's not going to get out of the blue jeans and get into the environment. Okay? Masks do not work. They do not protect. There's no way on earth those masks that you bought, the paper ones...

Mary Tocco (29:40.365)
are gonna do anything to protect you. I'm going to right now I'll quote Stanford Medicine, cardiovascular medicine, wearing a face mask has adverse psychological and physiological effects. Long-term consequences of wearing a face mask on health are detrimental. This is from Stanford Medical University. Okay, cloth or fabric, neither are neither a medical device nor a personal protection equipment. That's their quote. They do not stop.

or the spread of COVID infection. And that is at Duke University graduate of MIT, Dr. Andrew Kaufman. They decrease oxygen intake when you have them on. They increase carbon dioxide buildup in your lungs. Toxins can re-enter the body through stress and cortisol. It shuts down vital immune processes. This is just about the masks. So my point is,

If you're looking at the internet for your information, it's very difficult to get the real information. Very, very difficult.

James Moffitt (30:44.558)
Much of it's going to be misinformation.

Mary Tocco (30:47.898)
absolutely. And you know what they say? They call me misinformation, by the way. People like me are considered misinformation. And yet I pull up medical documentation for everything that I say. But they'll say it's misinformation. So it's very difficult. It's not easy.

That's why I encourage people to buy books that are written by researchers who are not involved with big pharma, who are outside of medical, the medical monopoly, who write on this stuff and show you the true science, because that's the only way you're going to get it, is by looking at people outside.

James Moffitt (31:17.456)
Here's... Right? So let me tell you something funny.

Mary Tocco (31:22.702)
sure.

James Moffitt (31:24.294)
So I work security part-time at Walmart and it's just a circus, right? And so I watch the mass of humanity flow in and out of Walmart every day. We all go to big, big box stores. want to buy stuff cheap, know, groceries are expensive. I'm certainly not making fun of anybody for going to Walmart or Target or any of these big box stores trying to save a buck, right? Um, but I see people wearing masks.

Mary Tocco (31:25.55)
you

Mary Tocco (31:48.162)
Right.

James Moffitt (31:54.5)
And what's funny is not just at Walmart, I'll be driving down the street. I'll be going back and forth to work, whatever. And I'll look over and I'll see, I will see a person sitting in their car by themselves with a mask on. And I'm like, I hate to say this, but that's just stupid. They're there. They've been brainwashed by our government to think that that mask is going to protect them from all manner of viruses or an airborne, blah, blah, blah, whatever. Right.

And in, in, I don't have, if somebody wants to wear a mask and they, think it's protecting themselves from whatever. I respect that again, whether you, whether you have to, whether you decide, you know, if you make a medical decision on your, for yourself or whatever, and you decide you want to take a vaccine. Great. respect that. If you decide you want to wear a mask, that's fine.

Mary Tocco (32:25.176)
this.

Mary Tocco (32:47.65)
Yes.

James Moffitt (32:52.122)
But inside a car, a closed car with an air conditioner going and you got a mask on. I'm like, what? I don't get it. Or they'll be outside in the parking lot wearing a mask. Right.

Mary Tocco (33:01.73)
I know. And James, I thought it was terrible when they were making children out on a playground wear a mask. How about you can't go to the beach because of COVID? You can't go to a beach. Fresh air, sunshine, wonderful, know, seawater with minerals, and you can't go to the beach during COVID. All of it was nonsense and all of it was unnecessary. But I believe it was a true test to see how far they could push the American people.

James Moffitt (33:28.497)
yeah. Yeah.

Mary Tocco (33:29.6)
And I think they were highly successful at getting a lot of people to comply. But I do think there's a shift taking place. I know that a lot, like for example, I know I didn't wear a mask. In fact, I wore a masquerade mask to Publix and to Walmart and to the PetSmart in protest. Do you know what I mean? A masquerade mask. That's what I did. And I did Facebook lives.

James Moffitt (33:54.192)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mary Tocco (33:59.117)
because I was trying to get a point across people, the mask isn't protecting you. Don't listen to it. It's fear mongering. And so, you know, but again, if people want to wear a mask, that's their choice, but don't mandate, don't mandate what I have to do with my body. I don't feel that that's right. And I don't think it's right to put children in masks out on the playground while they're running around trying to get fresh air and they're re-breathing all of their carbon monoxide. COVID is a whole nother discussion for a long

for another hour or something, but that's okay.

James Moffitt (34:29.958)
I'm sorry. It was, it was just a rabbit hole. wanted to jump down because it was on my mind, but,

Mary Tocco (34:34.816)
I thought you were talking about the other elephant in the room.

James Moffitt (34:37.508)
Okay. What? Well, I want to, another funny thing I want to say before we go there. one of the things that, that, that Americans learned by putting on a mask was that your breath stinks. Right. That was one of the first things we learned. was like, I, when I was wearing a mask, I was like, good Lord, what is that smell? You know, and I either your loved one or your wife or your husband or whoever was like, yeah, that's how your breath stinks. That's what you're smelling.

Mary Tocco (35:07.832)
Well, and I think too, we have to realize that when we exhale, it's part of our detox pathways. So as you're exhaling, you're detoxing pollutants that don't belong in your body.

James Moffitt (35:08.102)
You're like, my God.

Mary Tocco (35:20.918)
And then the mask is accumulating that. And it's a breeding ground for bacteria. I don't know how many people wash their mask every time they took it off. I don't know how many people changed their masks throughout the day. I don't know if people ever did. In fact, when they started selling those cloth masks and people were making money off of it and making them all flowery and they were bedazzling them with sparkles and stuff, those masks were harboring filthy bacteria.

James Moffitt (35:45.026)
sure.

Mary Tocco (35:51.139)
breath for months unless they were washed every night. And I doubt that people washed them. So they're very, they're not safe. They're not effective. They're not safe. And I pray to God, American people wake up and stop falling for that because it's just not, there's no science to support that.

James Moffitt (35:52.836)
Right. Right.

James Moffitt (36:09.51)
All right, so let's talk about the other elephant in the room. What elephant are you talking about?

Mary Tocco (36:15.084)
Well, I think right now we have Robert Kennedy Jr. Thank God, who is Secretary of Health and Human Services. And he's talking a lot about the childhood illness we have in this country. Our children are very, very sick. do you know, and again, this is a whole other topic of discussion, but we have more babies die the first year of life in this country than 33 other countries in the world? Yes. Shame on us.

James Moffitt (36:40.004)
did not know that.

Mary Tocco (36:44.054)
because we have more doctors, more pediatricians, more specialized equipment, more hospitals, more neonatal care units, more emergency care. don't have any children who are dying of starvation. Our children have clean water to drink in this country. I don't care how poor you are. You can turn on a tap and get water. You can bathe. They're not living like third world countries where they have puddles to drink out of. We have

supposedly the best sanitation system in the world and the best water system in the world and even our poor people eat food every day. They're not starving. Why are so many babies dying of crib death, unexplained death, respiratory failure the first year of life? More than 33 other countries? And you know, I'm going to be speaking this Thursday coming up, right?

James Moffitt (37:34.918)
That's crazy.

Mary Tocco (37:41.325)
And I'm going to be touching on this because I've been doing a deep dive into what's causing that. But I think Robert Kennedy Jr. is very, very concerned about how sick our children are. And, you know, we do vaccinations in this country to avoid getting ill. Keep in mind, people, we get vaccines before we're sick. We don't get them because we're sick. We give them to children before they're sick. And then our children have more chronic

debilitating autoimmune problems than any other country in the world. And we do twice as many vaccines as any other country in the world. We have a problem. And that's why Robert Kennedy Jr. is so passionate about it.

And he's been involved in this movement for 20 something years. He's not new to this. And so he knows exactly what he's trying to do. He's trying to bring the science out that's going to show all the things that are making us sick in this country and why our children, 52 to 54 % of the children in this country are sick and on medication because of chronic illness.

James Moffitt (38:46.246)
That's crazy. the other day I read something, there are like hundreds of vaccines that are being pushed on the American people. Do you know, do you have that number? Do you know how many vaccines?

Mary Tocco (38:57.942)
Yes, I think before a child is two, by the time they're 18 months, they're going to get about 40 vaccinations before they're even talking. Okay. And by the time they're a teenager, 18, they're going to have between 85 and 90 vaccinations injected into their bodies.

And people, I'm telling you, as God as my witness, this is an experiment on humanity. Not one of these vaccinations has ever gone through the proper safety studies that drugs go through to get approved. Not one. I don't care if it's the polio, the whooping cough, the diphtheria pertussis, the measles, the mumps rubella, the pneumococcal.

None of them have gone through proper safety studies in order to show that they're safe and effective at what they're doing. And this is why Bobby Kennedy is so adamant about getting the science out there, proving that these things are safe and not causing all this illness. Now, Mary Toko opinion? Well, let me ask you this. James, when you were born, within hours of taking your first breath, were you given a vaccination that was made for prostitutes and drug users?

James Moffitt (40:13.092)
Well, I won't throw a monkey wrench into this. I was born in Germany and my sister and I were in an orphanage. And I think the chances of us getting a vaccine back then in Germany at an orphanage was probably slim to none. I would say we probably did not get any kind of vaccines.

Mary Tocco (40:17.293)
You're worth.

Mary Tocco (40:22.401)
Okay.

Mary Tocco (40:32.578)
You probably didn't. And I will tell you this much. The vaccination that they're giving babies the first day they're born in this country, that they're recommending now, was made for prostitutes and drug users back in the 90s. And when they didn't want it, they literally went to Congress and said, well, let's give it to the babies. OK. Well, let's do a study. How long do you think they studied that before they just threw it in with the vaccine program and gave it the day of birth?

seven days, they gave it to a group of children and said, they made it through, let's give it. So now they ask parents, they say it's a requirement, it's not, it's not a law. You have a right to say absolutely not, to give your baby a vaccination the day they're born, before they've even breastfed, before they've even had a chance to.

James Moffitt (41:04.149)
my God.

Mary Tocco (41:25.74)
get into the world, you know, 24 hours, they're given a vaccination that contains very, very, very high levels of aluminum, which is an adjuvant, which is designed to stimulate their brand new immune system. And I believe that this is probably the most unscientific vaccination they could ever put in the childhood program. And I have met parents whose babies have died within hours of getting it, within hours. And they say, it wasn't the vaccine. absolutely.

James Moffitt (41:50.286)
no.

Mary Tocco (41:55.373)
And then they go back in at two months and get another one along with a whole bunch of other vaccinations. So we do have a problem. We have a problem that none of this has been properly safety studied. And the doctors don't know absolutely. They knew very little about what they're giving these babies. In fact, I challenge parents, write this down. The first shot given to newborns has 250 micrograms of aluminum in that vaccine.

The only safety study that I have ever found doing all my research over the years was done back in 1993. And it was looking at the aluminum levels in parent aerial nutrition given to infants in the hospital that require nutrition, IV nutrition. It's called parent aerial nutrition. And back then they discovered that anything over 20 micrograms of aluminum could lead to neurological development delay at 18 months of age.

and later on cause bone calcium issues. I've got all the studies and yet the one they give your baby, if you don't know better and if you don't defend them, they're going to give your baby a vaccine that contains 250 micrograms of aluminum within moments of their birth. And here's one more thought. Write this down folks if you want. By the time your child is fully vaccinated at 18 months,

James Moffitt (42:58.084)
Mm. Mm.

Mary Tocco (43:22.466)
they would have received 4,925 micrograms of aluminum through their well baby shots. And this is accumulation over time. These things don't get excreted because you know why I know that? The CDC admits that they've never looked into what happens after. They look at the local place where the baby gets a vaccine. They study the local injection area.

but they never look at systemic accumulation of any of this in the human body.

And to me, this is a crime.

James Moffitt (43:56.176)
Well.

I have to say this downright criminal.

Mary Tocco (44:03.68)
It is. And it will.

James Moffitt (44:03.76)
That kind of makes me angry. It really does.

Mary Tocco (44:09.262)
And you know what I tell parents? When you start learning about what was injected into your babies because you trusted your pediatrician, you're going to be very angry. You're going to be outraged. And all I can say is, number one, I'm sorry that nobody told you the truth because you know what? James, I answer to God. And one of us is lying and it's not me. It's either the pharmaceutical company, your pediatricians who might not know better.

the CDC, FDA, the health department, somebody's lying about this. And I will tell you before God, I'm not lying about it. I have nothing to gain. I don't have Big Pharma behind me or some big organization behind me motivating me to do this. I do this because I believe God called me to do this because I had the opportunity to learn about this before I had my children. And a lot of my brothers and sisters,

didn't vaccinate because of my influence. And to this day, they're grateful. And now grandchildren and nieces and nephews because of my influence. So I believe God called me to do this and he's given me the endurance and the passion to keep doing it even though the government says the opposite for over 40 years.

James Moffitt (45:28.228)
And what did you say they call you now?

Mary Tocco (45:31.181)
Well, I'm Maha Mary, that's what my new nickname is, Maha Mary for Make America Healthy Again. And you know.

James Moffitt (45:32.944)
Mahamiri. Yeah.

Mary Tocco (45:38.563)
People say, you're an anti-vaxxer. I'm pro-health. I'm pro-natural health. I'm pro-natural immunity. And yes, I never gave my children vaccines and none of my grandbabies have them. And they are the healthiest kids I know. They're talking by two. They're doing everything normal kids used to do. They're potty training early. They're learning how to read and write. Most of them are home educated. They're doing phenomenal. We don't have learning problems. We don't have asthma. We don't have diabetes.

autism. We don't have anxiety depression issues. They're not on any medications. In fact, I would basically stand here and tell you that none of them have ever had a prescription drug.

Mary Tocco (46:23.478)
So obviously there's a better way to do it because all the children that get vaccinated, they're on antibiotics all the time. They're sick with everything. They have ear infections, which is directly related to vaccines. They're sensitive to dairy, which is because they use dairy products and vaccines. They're sensitive to peanuts and their peanut allergies because they use an adjuvant, a peanut adjuvant 65 in vaccines. I mean, the list goes on and on and on of what we are doing to make our children sick.

and it's all through vaccines.

James Moffitt (46:52.644)
It's a, it's a self perpetuating problem. And, I, as a senior, I get irritated, by all of the, the big pharma, advertisements. It's just nonstop. They're either trying to sell you a car, trying to sell you clothes, or trying to sell you drugs.

Mary Tocco (46:58.409)
Cheers.

James Moffitt (47:18.618)
And I'm sure there's other things that I'm not thinking about right this second, but those are the three main. Advertisements like you, like I will, like to watch NBC nightly news, which is a 30 minute program. Well, you really only get about 22 minutes of program and the rest of it's all advertisements, right? And you sit there and you listen to, always mute all the advertisements because I get sick of listening to it. But yeah, but, but when you do listen to it.

Mary Tocco (47:34.86)
Yes.

Mary Tocco (47:39.692)
I think a lot of us do, yes.

James Moffitt (47:45.35)
They try to cram in all this information in like a 30 second clip and they, they, they talk about the possible, uh, symptoms and complications of taking the drug. And I'll look at Katie every once in a while and I go, Jesus, I'd rather just deal with the issue. I do whatever my medical issue is. Uh, because, because they, tell you that basically if you take this medicine, it might help you. It could help you. lessen the symptoms or it might even kill you. Right.

Or it may even give you worse symptoms than you've got now. And I'm like, who in their right mind is going to inject something into their body or take it orally through their, through a pill that could possibly kill you or, or make you give you other symptoms that dwarf the, the original issue that you've got now. It's just insanity.

Mary Tocco (48:14.978)
Yes.

Yes.

Mary Tocco (48:32.896)
Apparently, James, a lot of people go for it, and that's the only reason they're doing it. They're marketing. In fact, we are one of two countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical marketing on TV. In fact, I knew a woman from Australia. She was shocked when she came here. She was like, you people advertise drugs on TV? She goes, that's outlawed in our country. And you know, I do believe Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to try to get rid of that because...

James Moffitt (48:37.65)
of course. Yeah.

Mary Tocco (48:58.816)
It's true. The people go to their doctor and say, Hey doc, I want this. It's no longer the doctor prescribing it. It's the people going in and saying, doc, I want this. I will tell you another major problem, and this is probably one of my biggest concerns. And I really praying that Robert Kennedy jr is able to do something about this. In the 1980s, the early 1980s, we had a lot of babies being injured from the D TAP vaccine. It was called actually the DPT shot.

James Moffitt (49:02.885)
Right?

Mary Tocco (49:29.056)
It was causing severe, severe neurological injury and death to the point where all the pharmaceutical companies who made the diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus vaccine were getting sued. So they went to Congress and they said, look, if you don't do something to protect us, we're going to go out of business. We're getting sued because of the DTAP. And it actually started in the 1970s, all through the 80s, they were getting sued. And again, I've seen children completely

James Moffitt (49:37.85)
Diphtheria, yeah.

Mary Tocco (49:58.307)
dependent, crippled in wheelchairs with breathing tubes and feeding tubes from those vaccines in my lifetime. So the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was signed into place by, unfortunately, my good old president, Ronald Reagan. He was coerced, I believe, into signing this into act, 1986. And basically what it does is it bailed out all the vaccine manufacturers.

All the financial liability was completely removed. No liability for death or injury whatsoever. Go ahead, make all your vaccines. Don't worry about it. You won't get sued. Okay? At the same time...

Congress charged the Secretary of HHS, Secretary of Health and Human Services, with the explicit responsibility to provide safety studies showing that all the new vaccines are safe and effective. So, okay, we're going to remove liability, but HHS is your job. Every two years, I want safety studies on all vaccines that come out showing that they're safe and effective, and that way we'll know if they're not hurting anybody, and we'll be able to pull them off the market, right?

by law, okay? So in 2018, Robert Kennedy Jr. and a group called I Can Decide, the Children Health Defense Network and Icandecide.org, Robert Kennedy and Del Bigtree, they sued, they went through the Freedom of Information Act and they sued HHS and wanted all those reports.

Show us the reports that you were ordered by law in 1986, showing that every vaccination that has been put into the system is safe and effective. And after fighting for it and fighting for it and fighting for it, guess what? Donald Trump was able to get them in front of HHS when he was first president. They discovered that human health and services had not done one study, not one. And at that time, that was 32 years. Okay?

Mary Tocco (52:02.574)
And now it's been 36 years and they have not done one study. So when your doctors tell you and you hear the CDC and you hear the news or you hear reporters on TV that are saying, take the damn vaccine, not one safety study was done on any of these vaccines post them being in the program. Not one to prove that they're safe and effective. Okay, that law in 1986 has to be removed.

At the same time, they put into place something called VAERS, the Vaccine Adversity Events Reporting System. Again, to make sure everything's safe, the doctors by law were told that they had to report anything that looked like a vaccine injury into VAERS so that they could keep track of the vaccine injuries. During the congressional hearings in 2000 and 2003,

They discovered that only 1 % of all vaccine injuries get reported to VAERS. 1%. And then for anyone who goes through and has injuries, you can't sue, so they have something called the Vaccine Injury Compensation System. And that's where you have to go before three appointed judges. Now mind you, they're not elected. They're appointed.

by the CDC, who makes billions of dollars off of vaccines every year. They're appointed and they are the ones who determine if you get money or not to help pay for that child's injury. And if your child dies from a vaccine, they reward you with $250,000. Okay? None of this is right. None of this is constitutional. None of this is good. Okay?

James Moffitt (53:30.736)
Right.

Mary Tocco (53:57.473)
And so on top of all of that, for years, for 35, 40 years, I've been saying, let's do a study comparing the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. You'll know who's healthier because as I've traveled around, done, I've probably seen hundreds of thousands of people in person at my lectures.

audiences anywhere from 40 to 600, 700, people, 900 people. And I have seen more healthy, unvaccinated children, but I've also seen more parents whose babies died showing pictures of the poor before and after vaccination. I've seen so much evidence that I know the healthier children are the ones that don't get vaccinated, but our government refuses and their excuses. It would be unethical to deny anybody a vaccine.

And so just recently within the last month, I've decided to look deeper into this. I find out that the children who are the control study, who don't get the new vaccine are still given an injection of aluminum. So they might not get, they're not getting a virus. The control study are getting aluminum.

and the other children get the new vaccine. So they're not even doing proper safety studies. That's not a control study. When you are giving the adjuvant in a vaccine as an injection without the virus, that's unethical. And yet they say they can't do that. It's unethical. So they double talk, they lie, they don't care, folks. They don't care.

James Moffitt (55:29.723)
Yeah.

James Moffitt (55:41.296)
Who, who in the right mind as a parent is going to agree to their children getting a, a, an injection with aluminum in it? But just that just, it doesn't make any sense. Right.

Mary Tocco (55:51.362)
The parents aren't notified.

They're not notified. I mean, unless they're paying parents to come in, here, try out this new vaccine. Be part of the trials. Be part of the safety trials. You don't know if your child is getting the new rotavirus vaccine or just a shot of aluminum. You don't know. And I'm sure they don't tell them you're gonna get either the rotavirus vaccine or the aluminum. They don't tell them.

And you know, they pay people to come in for these trials. And usually it's people who need money. It's the poor segment of our population. And that's a whole nother podcast. Man, I'm telling you, the stuff they do behind the scenes, it's unbelievable where they get their subject matters.

James Moffitt (56:32.816)
Well, and I'm so excited that you are doing what you're doing. And I'm excited to have you on this podcast. And I want to, I know this is going to be kind of a mini series. I'm going to have you on here a couple of times in the near future. And I want to drag this crap out into the light. And I want to help educate the listening audience or the watching audience to understand this stuff. And that way they'll be more educated to make better decisions.

So Mary, thank you for being on the show today.

Mary Tocco (57:05.58)
pleasure James.

James Moffitt (57:07.078)
And I want to say to the listening audience, I'm going to say, that brings us to the end of another episode of ABC's Parenting Adult Children. A big thank you to Mary Toko for sharing her experience, wisdom and heart with us today. Thank you for your research. Your insights, Mary, remind us that parenting doesn't stop when our kids grow up. It simply changes shape. If today's episode resonated with you, be sure to follow or subscribe so you never miss an episode. And if you know someone navigating the challenges,

Mary Tocco (57:29.518)
Yes.

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