Transforming Parenting Through Innovative Counseling

James Moffitt (00:01.638)
Hello and welcome to ABC's parenting adult children. My name is James Moffitt. Today we have a special guest, Michael Blair. How are you doing, sir?

Michael Evan Blair (00:10.572)
Hey, up and at it this morning, been walking on the trails, feeling pretty good.

James Moffitt (00:14.876)
There you go. do me a favor and introduce yourself to the listening audience.

Michael Evan Blair (00:19.416)
Well, I'm Michael Blair, have been doing some form of counseling for over 35 years. I'm a master practitioner in NLP. And right now I'm really set up as the family problem solver, the guy that really takes moms and dads and helps them to really turn the corner into a happy family. That's what we do.

James Moffitt (00:43.056)
That's awesome. So what's the name of your company or organization?

Michael Evan Blair (00:48.214)
Well, you know, it's just in flux right now. Just my total Michael Blair Enterprises, Incorporated. But I'm also just toying around with changing up my name a little bit. So the current website is when in doubt, spin it out dot com.

James Moffitt (01:02.086)
Okay.

James Moffitt (01:09.19)
Winning it. Okay, hold on. I want to share that.

Michael Evan Blair (01:13.838)
When in doubt spin it out dot com and people can also reach me on the email Michael at when in doubt spin it out dot com

James Moffitt (01:27.612)
All let me share that real quick. I think I found it. I found it.

James Moffitt (01:41.564)
There you go.

Michael Evan Blair (01:43.01)
There you go. Thank you for playing with me. Thank you so much.

James Moffitt (01:48.092)
Absolutely. I want you to, uh, or I want to support you in whatever way that we can. Um, and, so yeah, so it's, uh, as you can see, when in doubt, spin it out.com. Very good.

So, Michael, where are you located?

Michael Evan Blair (02:10.946)
Well, I live in St. George, Utah and do Zoom calls all over the country with lots of different people. Right now, Focus is working with families from Tennessee to South Dakota to St. George, Utah. And helping those families really change the patterns that they use in their lives so that basically moms and dads

know how to correct their own feeling states like anger, frustration, etc. And know how to help their children do the same thing through a tool that we call the spin release, replace reprogram spinner program. And another tool we call the 490 self-forgiveness plan.

Those tools, plus some other things we can add on in our package development, will take people to a happy place they've never probably ever felt inside of themselves and their families in a very short time, as we'll demonstrate and talk about during this time together.

James Moffitt (03:31.45)
Okay. So tell me a little bit about your parenting story.

Michael Evan Blair (03:36.172)
You mean my own parenting story? You mean my eight children?

James Moffitt (03:38.448)
Yes. Yeah.

You're eight children? Yes, that's very interesting.

Michael Evan Blair (03:45.602)
Yeah, I have been married 52 years to the same woman, which is a miracle, you know, in this world. She still puts up with me and I still put up with, we're just still working. Here we have, I'm like 76 years old now. And it's still, I'm still getting to this place that I can fully accept her and she can accept me and we can just really enjoy each other's company and go from there.

James Moffitt (03:51.278)
Amen, brother.

Michael Evan Blair (04:13.326)
Raised our children out of the house a long time ago now and uh, oh yeah, definitely empty nesters and but we have 25 grandchildren and two great grandchildren that And my children and we interact all the time. It's a very happy family We gather, you know at least twice a year and one place or the other we go camping together most of us Up a canyon in a beautiful spot

James Moffitt (04:17.22)
your empty nester.

James Moffitt (04:21.958)
So.

James Moffitt (04:25.744)
Wow.

Michael Evan Blair (04:42.028)
Kids all stay in the campsite. We go down to my daughter's house and sleep in the king bed at night. That's what I call camping for me these days. And anyway, we just love to get together. It's just a really fun, fun grouping. Let me say some more good things about this particular family. In St. George here, one of my favorite things to do is to, on Sundays, my daughter invites us over to her home where

James Moffitt (04:57.606)
That's wonderful.

Michael Evan Blair (05:09.666)
She lives with her daughter and son and husband. And they, we together put together a meal and sit down and have food. And then we just sit around and we talk and we trust and we feel and we explore and we talk about everything that matters to us. And that's something we do every, just about every Sunday. And then I have another son down here who's my right-hand man who comes, who's a

James Moffitt (05:27.505)
Right?

Michael Evan Blair (05:38.178)
He owns the carpet cleaning company I started 40 years ago here. And he comes over and helps me with things that need to be done. Up the ladder, change the filters, cut the tree back, call the trash out, move things around, clean my carpets, which is great because we have a little Miss Molly Maltese who likes to pee and poo on the house carpet sometimes.

James Moffitt (06:05.051)
Yep.

Michael Evan Blair (06:06.102)
in spite of all our best efforts to get her outdoors. Anyway, so we have some really close things here. We have some family in not too far within two to three hours up north from here. And so we also intersect with them frequently. have a bed that we sleep in up in the area of Sterling to Manti, Utah, central Utah area.

And so we go up there and stay in our favorite bed. And then we also have a favorite bed here. And then we have gatherings all over the place, back and forth for various occasions, like a wedding reception, or wedding and reception this Friday for one of my granddaughters. And we all come to that and support that. So we're a pretty active, interactional, everybody knows what's going on with everybody all the time.

James Moffitt (06:56.71)
That's beautiful. So Katie and I just celebrated 35 years. We have, we had two boys and two girls. unfortunately, two of them have passed on since then. And we, we, we're empty nesters and my, my wife, she's a special ed teacher and not too soon after we became empty nesters, she wanted to be a foster parent. Well, I.

I kind of put my foot down on that. So, no, I don't want to do that. And, we couldn't foster parent anyway, because I'm real big in the second amendment arena and I've got gun safes and guns. And even though I'm not irresponsible with them, I'm sure the foster parenting, organization would, Nick's that idea, you know, in the bud right there. And, so anyway, so my wife got two dogs and two cats.

Michael Evan Blair (07:54.85)
There you go.

James Moffitt (07:54.94)
So now we have, so now we have fur babies. So we're not really empty nesters now, now, anytime I ever want to go somewhere on the weekend or whatever, I've got to get somebody to, watch the dogs and let them out. So they don't destroy the carpet and you know, yada, yada, yada cats are pretty self-sufficient, but dogs, not so much. So Michael, it's, it's, was nice to hear about your parenting story. That sounds like you have a beautiful family, eight children,

Michael Evan Blair (08:02.102)
Yeah.

Michael Evan Blair (08:10.285)
Yeah.

Michael Evan Blair (08:13.857)
No, they're pretty demanding.

James Moffitt (08:25.136)
That's mind boggling to me, but, I guess the Bible would say you have a full quiver, right?

Michael Evan Blair (08:32.96)
Yeah, we're in that capacity. We may not be rich, but we're sure not poor.

James Moffitt (08:39.996)
There you go. Well, so tell us how you got into this, the, the, counseling and trauma, trauma counseling and, all of that. How did you, how did you fall into that? maybe you didn't fall into it. Maybe it was purpose purposely. did it.

Michael Evan Blair (08:59.576)
Well, around 1990, I made that decision to, after going to university and getting a master's degree in early childhood development and taking a minor in marriage and family therapy, I made the steps necessary to become licensed in that field and have been licensed there and I am today already still licensed there.

35 years. So I've done a lot of work in that arena for a long time, but about 10, 12 years ago I became introduced to a couple of different, two or three different tools that have caused me to kind of shift out of the old therapeutic model and into kind of a coaching or specialist educator almost model. And I'll tell you about that as we go down through the story here.

And so that happened because I, I practiced with people three primary tools that just were changed, have changed the lives of people so dramatically that I just couldn't go back to the old school stuff. some of the, some of the old school stuff is nice, but it just doesn't answer the question fast enough or completely enough. And so we've added some things together to make.

James Moffitt (10:08.795)
Right?

Michael Evan Blair (10:22.828)
a winning combination. so in recent days, I have been tuning myself up as a problem solver for families that is able to introduce and teach and install and habituate.

two or three tools, or three recipes that when placed in the home and practiced totally change the fabric of the family personality. And that's really what I want to talk about here.

James Moffitt (10:59.974)
Gotcha.

Michael Evan Blair (11:04.046)
That's lifting off and taking a move forward right now. I'd like to invite the audience to participate in some part of it if they want to, even as soon as June 30th, first and second, I'm offering a free class to those who'd like to learn what I'm talking about here today. In three hours, we're going to give it to them at noon on each of those three days.

see how far we can take people in that short time. Those who don't feel like they have enough will be able to go on and do some other things that we've arranged at a really economical cost. But we also will do that to help people get all the way installed. And so the idea is when you learn the tools that we're talking about today and you have your children able to use them, I will tell some stories here shortly.

and you'll get something that's extraordinary. You'll not only get talk therapy, you can have all that you want with anybody else. It's a little bit with us, but not a lot. And you can do the change work you need with these tools and or on your own to some degree. And then when you're done with that and your identity is better formed up, then you can maintain efficiently.

Children who learn these things and keep them in their repertoire will never have the trauma issues that so many children have because they'll resolve the speed bumps of life as they go instead of collecting them and creating stories and irrational thinking and feeling and responding and reacting that can interrupt them throughout their lives.

I think it's true to say that most people, they not only do they, they don't know what it means to actually take a feeling state, notice it, and be able to basically remove it in about 10 minutes like we do with these programs and be free from that permanently and or collectively if it takes a few times with different things.

Michael Evan Blair (13:24.662)
And so you can literally take your load and begin to chip away at it and oftentimes big leaps. And the load that you've carried from childhood or wherever can be resolved and or be resolving in a way that allows you to be free from the reactivities that you have towards your children or that you children have towards you. That makes for happy moms, happy dads, happy families and happy long-term children.

even in the face of the tremendous opposition we have in this day and age.

James Moffitt (14:03.002)
Let me, let me read this from your, your pod match profile, if you will. and then we'll kind of launch off from that, dig a little deeper into what you're talking about. and it says that Blair's unique approach to mental health could provide your audience with transformative insights. The episode could focus on Blair's innovative techniques for healing trauma and behavioral issues, offering parents new perspectives on managing complex emotional challenges in their families.

So you already, you already answered the first question about what led you to develop these innovative therapeutic tools. So the next question would be, how does the spin technique facilitate rapid emotional healing?

Michael Evan Blair (14:50.338)
The spin technique is a combination special out of the field of neuro-linguistic programming. And most people probably don't even know what that means. So that's fine. But basically, it's the use of language artfully and very clearly in a way that accesses the conscious mind and the subconscious mind.

and is in the process of that brief processing able to release, relieve, and replace the negative feeling state. Like, for example, let me tell you a story real quick to help start this into understanding. So my grandson and I sat down and I said, what's bothering you? He said, my sister annoys me.

I think almost every 12 year or 14 year old kid is annoyed by his sister if he has one. Anyway, I found that to be true. So he said, I said, do you want to change that? Do you want to feel better towards her? He said, I really do, actually. And so I said, OK, let's run through this little spin process and I'll give you a little taste of it in a minute. But just for now, we went through that in less than 10 minutes, probably eight minutes.

And when we were finished, he looked up at me and squeamishly said, you know something? I just love her. I just love her. That annoyance was gone and the love came in. There's one example. I'm going to give you several examples of that kind of change work during this time we spend together as much as we have time for.

I'm gonna go to the adult side for a moment and tell a little longer story About it if a father that came to me He had a wandering eye at the time and wanted that fixed so we did that and we got that done and then he was trained to understand his wife listened to her he was listening to her and then one day after experiencing the spin and and all the other tools we have He said I think it's time that I asked her if she'd like to do a spin would that be okay? And I said sure

Michael Evan Blair (17:08.746)
And she was very agreeable. She'd been feeling betrayed long enough. She was tired of it and she wanted to get over it and get closer to him. So she did the spin with them. And in that same 10 minutes, she, they just came together. the, so then she said, Hey, could we call our son and daughter-in-law and see if this works magic with them? So they did. And he,

The son had some anxiety and it helped him to move away from that. I'm not saying it cured him yet, but he went through the beginnings really helped him feel better. And then the wife said, his wife said, hey, I want some of that. So they worked on her depression and she began to feel better very quickly. I'm not saying again, cured right with one tap.

Sometimes one tap will do it, but sometimes it takes a little mix. And so they then said, could we call our sister who's away from town and feeling homesick and see how she responds to this? And her homesickness was gone in 10 minutes. And then the father and the mother went on a cruise two weeks later and he was in the ocean on the Caribbean cruise, 10 feet of water below him. And he started to feel

like he was going to drown. His wife said, remember the spin. He remembered the spin and was able to quickly shift that out and was comfortable in water. It has been ever since. And then he was about to ride a zip line, but he was afraid to ride the zip line on the ship. And he went through the spin on that and boom, he could do the zip line. So this is a story about a whole family.

learning some things that really changed the whole structure of the family system. And that gave them the ability to actually knock out and heal and replace the old negative states with positive ones. And when you do that, when a young son in a family becomes loving towards his sister, that changes the structure, the fabric of that family.

Michael Evan Blair (19:26.444)
And that whole family structure begins to move into a different place. And if you spread that amongst the whole family and they each learn how to do that responsibly and or with help or alone or with each other, then it's very exciting. Another quick one. I taught this to a mother and her husband. And the next two days later, the son was about ready to take a test exam at school and was really worried about it.

He took the spin and went and did his own spin, knocked out his testitis and totally aced the test. That same night, his sister was unable to go to sleep and said, Mom, would you do me one of those spin things? And they did. And her racing mind quieted down and she was asleep in about a minute after that time. So there's just a lot. mean, these are testimonial stories I'm telling from my perspective.

James Moffitt (20:21.158)
Sure.

Michael Evan Blair (20:22.734)
there I could give you, you can go to my when in doubt, spinitout.com book and look on the QR code there and get to the landing page and there are nine examples, live examples that are recorded off of this platform and they're edited up so they're really short and really crisp and you can watch the change happen before your eyes for nine different people. And then I give a walkthrough.

James Moffitt (20:46.993)
Well.

Michael Evan Blair (20:49.898)
on that same location for anybody that wants to have a walkthrough of their own with their issue. So let's just take it that far.

James Moffitt (21:00.86)
All right, so can you illustrate a success story where a parent's approach transforms?

Michael Evan Blair (21:08.658)
absolutely. So let's go to, I think I already have illustrated some transformation to you. The betrayal gone, for example. That's one that's already there. How would you like me to structure this? Do want me to do this?

James Moffitt (21:24.976)
Well, so, you know, we, children don't come with owners manuals, right? We, lot of times we parent the way we were parented unless we're able to practice a little introspection and realize that some of the mistakes, you know, our, our, our parents did the best they could with what they had. Right. and I think, I think, I think all parents, unless they're just downright abusive, I think a lot of parents try to.

Michael Evan Blair (21:45.559)
Right.

James Moffitt (21:54.15)
parents or children in such a way that hopefully they feel loved and accepted and validated and you know all of that and you kind of fly by the seat of your pants a little bit you know and so I guess the angle I want to go with this is you've got parents that are coming to you they have their own unique parenting style their own unique parenting skills right and so

question is, can you illustrate a success story where a parent's approach was transformed by what you do?

Michael Evan Blair (22:28.918)
Yeah, absolutely.

I'm just trying to think of the best example for this particular story, but it's very, very common that when parents come, they come with a kind of a punishment consequence model. So if the kid doesn't perform, they get angry, or they don't, but they usually get angry about it.

And so what that does is it subtracts the love out of the relationship. So in delivering a punishment consequence model, OK, Sally, you got to go to your room for 45 years. You know what I mean? Then and they do it with anger. Then the child is feeling hurt and wounded and unloved.

And the parent is feeling unloving at the same time. And that perpetuates a very negative context into which kids kind of know their love, but they feel they don't feel it. They don't feel the love that they need. And the parents don't feel it either. And so I have this statement that goes that I use a lot. If you wait until your children are matured and grown up and all that sort of thing till they're perfected to meet your expectations.

You may never love them. If you never loved them before, you may never love them. There may never be a loving relationship because kids are kids and moms and dads are moms. We're all human and there needs to be some kind of loving energy going on. when you, so I'm talking in general terms, but let's take a look. Yeah. The mom I mentioned a minute ago had her two kids respond with the

Michael Evan Blair (24:11.106)
Testitis removal and I have another good one for you. Mother with seven children in Utah, going through her own recovery in coaching therapy model, learned how to do the spin and had me teach it to her kids.

And so several of them have been able to, and the husband in the family also, been able to move in the direction of the loving, connecting family. And the mom's feeling happier, the dad's happier. In fact, they're both coming to my class here soon just to sharpen their skills. And so what has happened is the mom has gotten increasingly happier as the children have become increasingly responsive. So.

There is transformation going on in these homes, but it's not just talk therapy. This is actually life changing at the personal level of each individual in the family that's creating the understanding and the loving flowing. It's removing the blocks that keep all of that from happening effectively.

James Moffitt (25:04.796)
That's wonderful.

James Moffitt (25:25.99)
So how do your methods address addiction in family settings?

Michael Evan Blair (25:30.914)
Well, it's basically what we understand is that all addictions come from some place of subconsciously for most people. It comes out of deep, deep trauma. you consult the leading leaders in the field today, and I don't know if I consider myself one of those, but the ones that we listen to and understand and follow from.

Our primary task as coaches and healers is to get the pain out of people so that they are able to feel free from the symptoms that come from the pain. So if a boy has been abused as a child by his mother or somebody close to home, that may still be showing up in his marriage now, and he may feel protected from his wife.

And so when you take the pain out, you know, how longer has that need for that protection? The thing that people don't understand is that that pain is removable. It is removable and talk therapy alone will not heal that. Usually it has to be done with what we call inner mind psychology or or inner mind work. I want to talk to you just a little bit about the dynamics of the spin itself.

and give you, maybe give you a bit of a living example, a part of it, not the whole thing, because I want people to come to experience it with me and or my team in workshop and or give me a call on the phone. I'll give the first three people that call me through from this event. I'll give them a free spin over the phone for 15 minutes. A total, just anything they pick will work on it.

And they'll feel some relief in 15 minutes and begin to taste what I'm talking about. You got to taste the salt or you don't know what salt tastes like. So, but for today, on a podcast yesterday, for example, a gentleman said, the host said, okay, I'm feeling angry about something. And I'm not going to say what that was. And I feel it in my chest. I said, where do you feel it? He feels it in his chest.

Michael Evan Blair (27:53.878)
Okay, I want you to imagine that you can pull that out of you. Now, this is creative for a lot of people. It's not woo woo and it's not new, but they just pull it out of there. Imagine pulling it out and they make it into a shape and a color. I think you said a red circle. And then I asked them which way does it spin and they usually have a direction. And then I say, okay, now that you know which way it's spinning, I want you to spin it to the reverse at hyper speed like a tornado.

And they do this. Everybody does this quite well. It's remarkable that can visualize. are a few that can't, but most can. And I asked them to then spin it all the way out. And when it's all the way spun out as quick as you like, I asked them to tell me how they disappeared it. And he said, well, it just kind of went poof. And at that moment, I asked him, said, so where is your angry feeling that you were feeling before? He said, I'm not feeling it right now.

So that quickly we get to a freedom from the feeling state enough that we're able then to ask people to do, to find three feeling states like peace, love, harmony, joy, whatever it is that you want to plug in that means something to you. They plug that in, believe it or not, they do, they breathe it in right through that chest area in their body.

Michael Evan Blair (29:17.42)
And when that's all installed, I ask them to weave that into the fabric of their personality in a very creative and powerful and permanent way. And they do that. And then I ask them to do something that goes from conscious to subconscious in a real quick hurry. And I say, OK, I want you to take all three of those with you as you walk from your current body age right down your timeline to the place, the youngest years that are year that you would

Best benefit from having those installed and they do that I say install that into them to that younger you and then tell me how old he is and he said oh six So people drop all the way from 50 to 6 that fast Just with my invitation and this happens time after time after time. It's not rocket science It's not hard and it seems sounds like a woo-woo to some people, but it's not what this is really this really does work

And then ask the guy to take that feeling, young or you, to by the hand and walk him right up your timeline until he gets to your current body age and then reintegrate into the original you. They do that and then I ask them to walk into the future and notice how these wonderful feelings will have benefited them in the hours, days, weeks, and years ahead.

James Moffitt (30:26.14)
Thank

Michael Evan Blair (30:45.272)
So they do that process and time after time after time, the annoyance is gone, the betrayal is gone, the contention is gone, the heartache is gone, the grief is gone. And when those things are gone, people are then free to feel better. And gradually you get that out of you and you feel better most of the time. And then as you continue, you can feel better almost all the time.

And if you have something hit you, you can knock it out. So there's, what do you think about that so far?

James Moffitt (31:20.796)
I think you have a very unique approach.

James Moffitt (31:26.236)
I have not heard of that approach before. And so I think that's certainly something worth investigating and probably could be very beneficial to the listening audience.

Michael Evan Blair (31:37.344)
It's not the only answer to prayer, but it's an answer that properly applied. It's like having a good hammer. If you know how to use a hammer properly, you can build and build and build the hammer. But a hammer can also kill you. So we found that all good tools can kill misused. But this is not something that people, I've ever seen anybody misuse ever. So it's like it always goes in a positive direction.

I want to tell you about one other tool that comes with the kit. It's one that almost everybody we work with loves. We find that most people are not in the habit or have not learned how to self forgive. So they may have God that forgave them. They may feel like their family forgave them or somebody apologized. But oftentimes when they've done something wrong, they just don't forgive themselves.

I find that to be true almost in and out of just everywhere. So we found a piece that we call the 490 self-forgiveness plan that we've been utilizing. And I think people love this just as much as the spin. This is so quick and easy. they say and this is the language. I'll give it to you right now on the you can take this for free. I don't even sell this. And I give this free. It's basically a God given piece. I don't need to sell.

And it goes like this. I, Michael, forgive you, Michael.

for being a twerp yesterday with your wife and reacting. And I release you to your higher power. Some people choose the savior. Some people choose the goddess of whoever. I don't care. But if you release it, or to a grandma or whoever you want to, but basically to that higher power. And you repeat that 15 times. And by the time you've repeated that 15 times, usually there's a really dramatic shift. Somewhere after

Michael Evan Blair (33:39.502)
10 usually in the 10 to 15 slide. So you'll never know what this means or how this works unless you experiment with it. And the same is true with this with the spin. So the reason I offer the class to people or the direct connection for the three who decide to come and personally work with me on over the phone or over Zoom for 15 minutes is because I want people to really taste this. Right now, it's unique. From your point of view, this is unique. Yes, but it's

not got much power in it until you taste the salt. You can't tell me what salt tastes like unless I taste it. I'll never know. And same is true with this processing. You know, can tell you story after story. I can give you testimonial after testimony, but until you have your own experience with this and see how really powerful this is and how simple and easy and inexpensive and that you can basically find yourself

James Moffitt (34:16.091)
Right.

Michael Evan Blair (34:38.38)
With this plus another tool which I'm not sharing in this workshop, you can be free and free of mental health issues, almost any of them that you can imagine. I don't diagnose anymore, but I can tell you from the past history of diagnosing that I played with virtually every diagnostic you can see in the book. And every one of them has been responsive to this process. This one and an power process that I recipe.

that requires a more complex orientation.

James Moffitt (35:11.452)
Right. So Michael, I want to give you, uh, let's say three to five minutes to do a little elevator speech to the listening audience and tell them, speak to them directly and tell them just kind of summarize what you've been talking about.

Michael Evan Blair (35:30.808)
Well, I don't know if I could be any more excited about any mission that I've had in the helping profession over the years than what I feel right now. This is the time where we need to really take charge in our homes and families. And this is a pathway combined with love and your value system and good nutrition, some exercise, all those things.

to build children so that they can endure the extreme opposition that comes from just gaming alone, from the internet, the residual, from COVID, from the distractions of life, so that they learn how to connect with each other and with mother and father and others for a lifetime and live like I described our family before.

so that they actually feel connected and are in mostly happy places or at a higher level than they've ever been before. So I'm just really, really excited to be able to share this with you guys. And I hope you can you can feel the the authenticness of this. This is not a sales pitch. This is an invitation for you to explore this. It's I couldn't make it any easier for you. I've written a

hundred page book for you. There's an audible associated for three dollars and seventy five cents. We have a in that and in the book access to a training program which won't get you all the way but it'll get you get you flavored into it and show you enough to get your appetite worked up. And then we have a class set up that I'm happy to it's free if you'll reach out to me at when in doubt spinning out dot com or

Michael at WinningDotsVinningOut.com or I'll even throw my phone number out today because I'm real excited about this. And that's 435-703-0756. I'll pick up the phone if you'll make sure if I miss you, you leave a message or I'll pick it up from you wherever you call from. So I don't know if this is going to be on air soon enough to give people the opportunity to go to this June 30th class or not.

Michael Evan Blair (37:56.13)
There will be another one after, and I'm sure I'll continue to do that. And you can join a free class when you're ready. So, yep, thank you so much.

James Moffitt (38:05.392)
All right. So, so I've got your website. I'm sharing it again.

When in doubt, spinitout.com. Just spell it out like it's supposed to be. When in doubt, spinitout.com. And you can get a hold of Michael Blair. He gave you his phone number. You've got his web address. And Michael, I appreciate you being on the episode today. And to the listening audience, I want to say thank you for the privilege of your time. And I hope and pray that

Some of you will, will, that this, methods, and everything will resonate with you and maybe you can reach out and take advantage of the, things that he's offering for free. And hopefully, you know, you'll get some healing and you'll feel better and you'll be able to pass that along to other people, you know, because Lord knows we, we can all use assistance in that area for a lot of areas of our life. Right.

Michael Evan Blair (39:15.662)
Yeah, this is a really fun direction. remember talking to some church leaders one time and they said, church leaders, they said, well, we got the physical side figured out. We've got the spiritual side, more or less. And we're working on the relationship side. We think we've got that kind of figure. What are we going to do with this emotional? What would you recommend? At the time, I didn't know what to say. I'm to tell you right now. These two little tools.

plug into the emotional side in a way you've never known you could do it before. And it will allow you, along with the rest of your gifts and things you've learned, to do some things in 10 minutes you never knew you could do to feel better, and your children. So thank you so much for, James, for the opportunity to be with you. I hope we'll have a chance to talk again. We can take on other dimensions, even deeper places to go another day. We'll talk more about the...

James Moffitt (40:07.6)
Yeah, absolutely.

Michael Evan Blair (40:13.528)
the more complex situations that we didn't really dive into today.

James Moffitt (40:17.478)
Sure. I'd love to have you back. Absolutely. So to the listening audience, I want to say thank you for being here, Michael. Thank you for being here and we will talk to you later. Bye bye.

Michael Evan Blair (40:29.088)
Adios amigos!